Mr. Gascon: Thank you, Mr. Presiding Officer.156 The fact that not all contraceptives are prohibited by the 1987 Constitution is even admitted by petitioners during the oral arguments. There it was conceded that tubal ligation, vasectomy, even condoms are not classified as abortifacients.157 Atty. Noche: Before the union of the eggs, egg and the sperm, there is no life yet. Justice Bersamin: There is no life. Atty. Noche: So, there is no life to be protected. Justice Bersamin: To be protected. Atty. Noche: Under Section 12, yes. Justice Bersamin: So you have no objection to condoms? Atty. Noche: Not under Section 12, Article II. Justice Bersamin: Even if there is already information that condoms sometimes have porosity? Atty. Noche: Well, yes, Your Honor, there are scientific findings to that effect, Your Honor, but I am discussing here Section 12, Article II, Your Honor, yes. Justice Bersamin: Alright. Atty. Noche: