316 ELECTRIC VEHICLES One of the reasons you can't do this here-at least we say you can't-is that the electric power company is over here, and it is owned by a private company, and the city has the garbage problem. In Munich you have them all together, and that is one reason that they can do it. But nothing horrifies me more, as a conservationist, than to think what this country will look like a hundred years from now if we continue dumping. I think we will be looked upon as the generation or generations that ruined the American landscape. Senator BAYH. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. I won't pursue this fur- ther. I apologize for not being here for your original testimony. Senator Cotton, do you have any questions? Senator COTTON. I could hardy ask an intelligent question, having just walked in the door. [Laughter.J However, I -am sorry to be so late, Mr. Secretary. I had to attend other meetings. . Senator BAYH. Thank you, Mr. Secretary. We appreciate your testimony here this morning, and Dr. Hibbard. Secretary UDALL. Thank you. Senator BAYH. State Senator Speno, has he arrived? (No response.) Mrs. Carter Henderson? (No response.) These three, I might say for the record, State Senator Speno; Robert Baron, representing the Citizens for a Quieter City, Inc.; and Mrs. Carter Henderson, Citizens for Clean Air; have been unfortunately detained in the New York airport because of its snowstorm. Their statements will be made a part of the record in the event they don't arrive before we recess today. The next witness is Mr. Robert Dunlop, American Petrolein Institute. Mr. Dunlop, if you please, sir. It is a pleasure to have you before the committee this morning. STATEMENT OF ROBERT DUNLOP, CHAIRMAN, BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AMERICAN PETROLEUM INSTITUTE, WASHINGTON, D.C. Mr. DUNLOP. It is my pleasure, sir. My name is Robert G. Dunlop. I am president of Sun Oil Co., Philadelphia, Pa., and chairman of the board, American Petroleum Institute, New York, N.Y. It is in the latter capacity that I am appearing here today. On behalf of the institute and its supporting members, I wish to express my appreciation for the opportunity to discuss with you the two bills, S. 451 and S. 453, which, for obvious reasons, are of considerable interest to the petroleum industry. I want to make it clear at the very outset that the institute supports the objective of eliminating automotive air pollution problems. The institute and a significant number of its members are working diligently on these problems, believing that success in our efforts will serve not only our own interests, but also the public interest. While we are in accord with the objective of clean air, we take exception to the basic assumption that clean air can be achieved only by finding an alternative to the internal-combustion engine. It is to the validity of that assumption that I shall address much of the remainder of my-remarks.